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  Latest United Nations-End of Religion-End of World alert

  by Questions1 in

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  2. beliefs

  it has been awhile since i've posted anything, but i got this e-mail from someone who is on the edge of falling out of the borg due to mental stress.

  i've attempted to verify the information, even called the united nations, but haven't gotten to a person who can say if this meeting happened.

  my gut says this is a contrived experience with many details just not adding up...but you never know.

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  Doubting Bro

  Hikaru - You've got to chill. There are several threads running on this made up piece of garbage. Just to summarize - 1) the story has been around for over 20 years, 2) the actual story doesn't add up, 3) the UN has NO POWER. They couldn't ban religion even if they wanted to, 4) even the WT has back off the UN and now says "nations within the UN" (likely because of their 9 year status as a NGO with them). Lots of folks have pointed out the major flaws in the story and the hallmarks of "urban legend". You won't find anything using Google because the JWs are such a small fringe group and these legends are circulated only among the faithful. I'm over 20 years older than you and I've heard variants of this story my entire life. Have you sought help with your panic attacks? I'm really worried about you from reading some of your posts.
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  My 3-Year JWD Anniversary

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i logged into jwd today and saw that i'm on my 3-year anniversary of membership.

  it's been a big 3 years--the biggest three years of my life.

  here's a few reflections i'd like to share with you: .

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  Doubting Bro

  Cheers bro! Its great to see your situation turn out the way it has. Too often, this cult ends up destroying marriages.
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  New article on methods of False Reasoning in the Watchtower

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just posted a new article on methods of false reasoning in the watchtower at http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/rhetorical-fallacy.htm.

  this discusses rhetorical fallacy, methods such as red herrings, straw man arguments, generalisations etc.. i would welcome any comments or proof reading.

  i would particularly like to know of any additional examples that i may have missed.. .

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  Doubting Bro

  I love your site. The only suggestion I have is to attempt to replace some of the 1970-early 1980 quotes with newer ones. You know how JWs love to say that arguments refer to "old light". By the way, I can't begin to tell you how much your site helped me wake up. I am eternally grateful!
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  Latest United Nations-End of Religion-End of World alert

  by Questions1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it has been awhile since i've posted anything, but i got this e-mail from someone who is on the edge of falling out of the borg due to mental stress.

  i've attempted to verify the information, even called the united nations, but haven't gotten to a person who can say if this meeting happened.

  my gut says this is a contrived experience with many details just not adding up...but you never know.

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  Doubting Bro

  That my friend is a JW urban legend. There are variants of that story although my favorite is when a JW janitor who has a contract with the UN building in NYC finds the "plan" to destroy world religion either 1) laying on someone's desk or 2) in the trash can (the two versions I've seen). Complete BS. First, the UN has no power or authority to take such an action. Second, the backlash among the common person would be so violent that a world war would be sparked. As long as humans are on the earth, religion will be here in some form or fashion. If the destruction of the WTC in the name of religion didn't spark a world wide elimination, I doubt some speech to a unidentified subcommittee would. By the way, welcome to the forum!
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  Sask. JW church failed to report sexual abuse: Victims

  by Tatiana in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if this has been posted yet, but i just read this.

  edited for link... http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=c9d1bb57-3db6-4c5d-81d1-6f70fd9f1b4d sask.

  church failed to report sexual abuse: victims .

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  I honestly think that last year's settlements were just the tip of the iceberg. I hope these women file a civil suit against the WTS, the perp and the local elders. And, hopefully the judge has the good sense to give this scumbag the max sentence. And, ladies, if you are reading this, please note that your bravery in coming forward will help.
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  Kirk Cameron Videos about JWs

  by jamiebowers in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqnv3g6cpi.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdh_h_pko8m.

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  Interesting, regarding his views on hell. Probably in his version, the bad are forced to watch a continuous loop of "Growing Pains" episodes! Come to think of it, I think I'd rather just burn.
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  Propaganda, the tool of facists

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hitler said... .

  "all propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

  the last few weeks, the republicans have laid down truth because the truth is their policies aren't best for this nation right now... instead they have resorted to lies because they'll do anything to win... .

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  I think both candidates support socialism as evidenced by both McCain and Obama voting for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act. Allowing the federal government to own private businesses, purchase bad debt stemming from bad business decisions, and generally prop up institutions that should be allowed to go under is about as socialist as you can get. How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move. By they way, the only way to successfully run for office, especially high office, is to put out propaganda. Our job as citizens is to research the claims and cut through the propaganda.
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  WT backtracking fast on Book Study -High Gas Prices

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so tonight the congregation discussed the front page of the october km -the new meeting schedule.

  straight away it was emphasized it was not because of high gas prices that the meetings were being reduced.

  it was pointed out that in parts of the world the brothers do not have cars so it was not high gas prices.

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  Willy - I totally agree with you. Lets face it, Mormons are a "high-control" group that had even more socially unacceptable roots than JWs with the whole polygamy issue and yet they are quite wealthy and while not mainstream are certainly close enough. Many people where I live (deep south at the moment) certainly view them as a cult (JWs too) yet I think in other parts of the country, that may not be the case. The LDS keep their folks much better than JWs do and still have an enormous amount of control. I would love to see the whole plan. We need another Franz to bolt and write a book!!
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  WT backtracking fast on Book Study -High Gas Prices

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so tonight the congregation discussed the front page of the october km -the new meeting schedule.

  straight away it was emphasized it was not because of high gas prices that the meetings were being reduced.

  it was pointed out that in parts of the world the brothers do not have cars so it was not high gas prices.

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  Doubting Bro

  At the meeting I attended, they just ignored the fuel prices excuse completely. However, the above letter posted shows that the GB mentioned that as one of the reasons. There was some absolutely crazy comments about the tribulation and how we needed to be together as the end gets close. However, having spent my life in this mess, I know that the previous reasoning was that the BS groups would allow the JWs to deal with "persecution" much better due to the small nature of the groups meeting in private homes. The most outrageous comment was made by the PO (uh, COBE)that the change proves that Jesus is leading the congregation and actually said that Jesus told the GB to sell the Brooklyn properties so they could get out before the real estate market crashed!! How come I can't get investment advice from Jesus??
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  well, we had a baby...

  by drew sagan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've mentioned this to a few jwd friends but haven't posted it.

  on september 1, 2008 me and my wife (who posts here as 'amber rose') had a baby boy.

  just wanted to share!

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  Doubting Bro

  Congratulations Drew & Amber!